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#1 ·
I went on ebay today to look for some empty 10gauge shells for reloading for my old winchester shotgun. I was shocked to see that not even any sort of brass or bullets for reloading was listed.

Thats right. Guess whos going further and further to the left.

It appears that in late july Ebay announced that they would be "reforming" the policies on thier hunting and reloading section.

As of agust 13th (last week), the ban was enacted. No longer can any gun part "which can be used to make a gun fire" be sold. This includes according to the vice prsident: empty/inert brass, triggers, hammers, barrels, slides, magazines, empty shotgun shells, or any bullets for reloading.

Ebay has gone too far. This was pretty much all I used ebay for. I had really no other place to find antique and obsolete gun parts for some of my older projects. I also would find good deals on brass, bullets and other items for shootung or reloading. And the magazines is what does it for me. No more magazines are to be listed. Period.

I for one will not give ebay my business anymore for how they "interperet" our second ammendment. Ill move my business to gunbroker or auction arms if I have to. I read on a newsletter that on any given day there were at least 30,000 auctions that were listed under these catagories. Theyre ging to be loosing alot of business. Stupid F**ks.

Heres a news article of when the ban was first announced. http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/20 ... omponents/

If you are a fellow sportsman and enjoy the privilage of gun onwership our country has been blessed with, then help get the word out. Ebay is anti-gun. This is the same type of thing we had to deal with in the Brady bill. Its just another chip in the wall for them. Sooner or later we may even have to be fighting our right to even own them.
 
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So some nutjob fires on and kills innocent people and MAY have bought some of his stuff on eBay. Why stop selling it? What will they do if some terrorist buys plastic containers, chemicals or some electronic equipment and uses it to blow up a building somewhere? What if some whacko buys a car on there and uses it to mow down a bunch of people or to transport the aforementioned bomb? Will they stop selling cars, chemicals or plastic containers? I seriously doubt it.

No, they use a tragic event to justify ceasing the sale of something they don't like.

Just more overreaction by idiots without a clue. Of course, it is their company, so they are free to conduct business as they see fit. I just don't want to hear them B&M when people excercise THEIR right to shop elsewhere. They probably will, especially if there is a concerted effort to get people to stop. Probably try to say we're squelching their "First Amendment" right to "free speech" or some crap.
 
#5 ·
Littlejon said:
Of course, it is their company, so they are free to conduct business as they see fit.
That pretty much sums it up. They have their reasons which are most likely related to liability issues.

I don't reload, but I have no problem finding ammo and firearms retailers near me (Cabela's is less than 5 miles away). I've never purchased a firearm on eBay, so I'm not sure what their policy was before they stopped doing so. How exactly did this take place? How did they regulate the transactions to ensure the transactions were between adults, sane people, non-felons?
 
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I don't think eBay ever allowed the sale of guns, other than perhaps collector's items or antiques. Don't know for sure as I never bought one via their site. What this is, however, is a complete ban on ANYTHING related to a gun, such as a bolt for your rifle, spent casings, ammo, whatever. I am pretty sure that also means stuff like holsters, cases, etc. I MAY be wrong on that, but I don't think I am. Their reasoning was that some items the nutjob who shot up Va. Tech had in his possession (not clear what he bought) were purchased on eBay.

THAT is what led to my questioning what they will do if Jimmy Jihad buys an eBay car, loads it down with explosives and blows up a building, ala Oklahoma City. Will they then ban the sale of cars? I doubt it.

This is a complete overreaction on eBay's part, IMHO. Like so many of the laws pushed after a tragic event, they aren't looking at the facts and making reasonable policies, they are reacting or OVERreacting in this case.

If I had to guess, some lawyer presented to them a "worst-case" scenario whereby someone might sue them. It is likely most of their upper-tier management team had no love for firearms anyway, so they figured it would be no big deal.

Like I said before, they have the right to operate their company any way they want. If they don't want to allow people to sell gun parts, ammo or other accessories, fine. It is their business. I just hope they don't start screaming "discrimination" or crying about their rights being violated if people start pushign for gun enthusiasts to stop using their site for other transactions.
 
#7 ·
Littlejon said:
If I had to guess, some lawyer presented to them a "worst-case" scenario whereby someone might sue them.
That is common practice for all big companies. You'd be shocked at what can and will happen in the field of tort law. If it is true that the shooter purchased gear from eBay, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the victim's families initiated a wrongful death suit against eBay. I won't speculate on the possibility of success and I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is certainly reasonable that they could be sued. It's likely some attorney thought there was a significant enough risk of liability to recommend that they stop selling these items. Does that potential risk outweigh eBay's profits on these items? They must of thought it did.
 
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Found the original newsletter from july. Pay close atention what he has to say in the last line. Almost like its straight from the mouth of micheal moron.

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200707301000452.html

It could have been a lawsuit or several indeed. But even if it was, they still played the ban off as a "saftey encouraging" measure and felt it was "the right thing to do". Not one bit of oppinion fom the opposing view or even a little reluctance from the ebay side to all of this. All they said was that it was "greatly considered". Like they believed that banning the sale of any gun related item was needed for ebay to become more safe and fall in the same lines as "other policies around the world". No regret that shoppers will have to move thier business. And not even a single appology to the sellers, some of whom practially made a living from selling on ebay.

A bit BIASED woldnt you say?
 
#9 ·
E-bay has been very anti-gun for a long time. They've used this as an excuse. Those who try to use reason and logic to argue with anti-gun types are missing the point. There is no reason or logic to these people. They believe everything news media tells them, hate the rich, want to bury us in social welfare programs, usualy think its awfull you drive through and destroy the forest with your gas guzzling, polluting monster trucks, etc. You dont need a gun, the government will protect you.
I work for the government, as a policeman, and no I wont be there at your doorstep when the wolf comes. Wolf doesn't let me know ahead of time that hes going to follow you home from the store, sneak in, beat your husband with a bat, set your nice uppercrust suburban house on fire to hid the bodies. AAAAARRRGH.
Sorry for the rant, just something that royally pisses me off.
 
#10 ·
They have no problem selling porn. Very frustrating :x Well I would suggest forums as a good place to find parts, brass, etc. I was finding that folks often over bid items such that it was more than retail. Another good source for parts, etc. would be on line gun auction sites, like http://www.gunbroker.com/. A forum I spend a lot of time on is www.1911forum.com.
 
#11 ·
Nobody ever seems to look at the facts. It's amazing.

After a gun ban, crime ALWAYS goes up. The good guys who turned in their guns are getting killed or hurt by the bad guys who didn't turn in their guns. No gun ban will EVER take the illegal guns off the street, they just remove any sort of self defense that most people have. Burglars know that there's nothing to be afraid of, that the homeowner won't have a gun and if he does, he can call the police and get the homeowner arrested. It's just a screwed up system, and all these idiots who think they know it all need to pull their heads out of their asses, take a shower to clean all that sh1t off, and get back to reality.

Down Under, there was a 300% increase in homicides ONE YEAR after a ban on 60% of the guns was enacted.
http://www.haciendapub.com/gunpage2.html
 
#12 ·
Are you telling me that none of you can walk down to the local sporting goods store or even the gun shop and buy everything you're complaining about eBay not selling? I mean seriously. You sound like a bunch of old women. "Boohoo!! Now I'll have to get off my fat *** and go to the store for my ammo. Whatever shall I do? Boohoo!!" Get over it. It might help get rid of the beer guts I'm sure most of you have anyway.

BTW, if any of you Cons want to debate politics, let me know. I have very strong feelings and a vast knowledge about the subject. I usually welcome the chance to roast Cons all over the internet but up to now have tried to keep my political beliefs out of here because this is not a political site. I come here for Isuzu stuff, not politics. But I'm also not the kind of person who'll sit back and say nothing while I'm attacked (I'm a member of the left so you attacked me when you starting ranting about the left). Let me know.

And for the record, I'm not anti-gun. Hell, I own a few myself. But I don't use them as surrogates for my penis, like some here obviously do. And I'm not so lazy that I can't go to Joe's or Big 5 for the things I need.

And Littlejon, never forget that it was a Con who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. It wasn't Johnny Jihad. And it wasn't Larry Leftist, either. It was Bubba Rightwing. That''s right. It was one of you!!

And SBH, Newsmax? Seriously? Hahahahaha!!! Could you have gone any further to the right for your so-called facts? Geez Louise.

I don't care if I made an new enemies here tonight and I certainly don't care if I get banned either. But if you want to get political, I can too. But, by the same token, I can keep my political beliefs out of here. I won't have any problem having Isuzu discussions with the people who talked crap about the left in this thread. But just so you know, if any thread goes political, I'll be right there.
 
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JBH1989 said:
Nobody ever seems to look at the facts. It's amazing.

After a gun ban, crime ALWAYS goes up. The good guys who turned in their guns are getting killed or hurt by the bad guys who didn't turn in their guns. No gun ban will EVER take the illegal guns off the street, they just remove any sort of self defense that most people have. Burglars know that there's nothing to be afraid of, that the homeowner won't have a gun and if he does, he can call the police and get the homeowner arrested. It's just a screwed up system, and all these idiots who think they know it all need to pull their heads out of their asses, take a shower to clean all that sh1t off, and get back to reality.

Down Under, there was a 300% increase in homicides ONE YEAR after a ban on 60% of the guns was enacted.
http://www.haciendapub.com/gunpage2.html
OK, don't mean to be funny, but lazy journalism is lazy journalism. 300% may indeed sound a lot, but if it goes from 10 people, to 30 people, would you really be up in arms about it? (excuse the pun). Any chance you could get the figures? Were those homocides with guns, or was it other weapons? You have to remember that the US is a little extreme when it comes to shooting each other, be it an accident, or whatever. The figures stack up very badly compared to other 'western' countries.
 
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Hey shocktrooper, before you spout off calling people names over something like this, how about reading the damn posts first. I said it was an OVERREACTION by eBay. Of course, liberal idiots (and there is a difference between a liberal IDIOT and a liberal) always overreact, kinda like you just did with your asinine post. This whole discussion had been quite civil and I don't recall anyone ever calling any particular political group any overly derrogatory names, but you come on here 6 months after the topic was first posted and start calling everyone else names who don't agree with your political views. Classy.

No one ever said buying something over eBay would mean an end to buying it period, just that it was an overreaction by eBay. But, there are some items that are very difficult to find, such as historic or antique firearm items, that could only be found on eBay. Now they decide to stop selling ALL firearms related items, regardless of what it is, simply because one guy bought a couple of items on eBay that might have been found on his dead body? And you don't think that is an overreaction? That is like banning the sale of all flintlock muzzleloaders because someone used an Uzi in a drive-by that had a sling found on it that was bought on eBay. It doesn't make sense at all.

If you had actually read my post, I said eBay was free to operate their business however they wanted to (conservative principle, btw, since liberals are all about telling private companies how they can run their business), but that I thought it was an unnecessary policy. I also said it was probably some lawyer who mentioned they "might" get sued "if" something ever happened again. I then used the example of some idiot like McVeigh buying a car over eBay and using it to blow some building up to illustrate my point that they would never equate such an action with a need to ban sales of the mechanical item used in THAT event (a car), but seem to have no problem banning a mechanical item that MIGHT be used in an event like the one at VT (a gun-related item, NOT even an actual gun). Since they never did say what, exactly, the whacko who shot up VT bought from them, we have no idea what could prompt them to take such actions other than an overreaction. If the guy bought a tactical vest, how did that contribute to the massacre? Other than giving him some extra storage room, it didn't do a damn thing to contribute to the actions he took. So eBay decides to stop selling all gun related items? Sounds like an overreaction to me.

And calling Tim McVeigh a "conservative" is like calling Stalin a liberal. There are idiots who call themselves all kinds of things, but they don't adhere to the principles of anything except their own twisted idiology. Liberals have used McVeigh as the ultimate boogeyman to demonize conservatives since he was first mentioned as a suspect. If you had a clue about history, however, you might realize (doubt it) that the most infamous mass murders have more closely aligned their twisted thinking with those of the liberal ilk. Still, as much as I dislike liberal idiology, I would never go so far as you did and imply that any of those people were liberals.

And where in either of my posts did you see me even mention political affiliations? Reading back on all of the posts, I didn't see anyone else mention any political party or other group aside from teh Michael Moore crowd, who even the staunchest of democrats cringe at. Before you fly off the handle attacking someone, why don't you read what you are attacking first. Like I said, the discussion was quite civil and no one attacked anyone until you came along 6 months later.

If you get banned, it is your own fault for being such a jerk in the first place.
 
#15 ·
Since you want to be a jackass, Shocktrooper, here is more:

http://www.gunowners.org/hlr-au.htm

Gun Control and left-wing politicians said great things about the new law. A university of criminology professor stated, "It is probable that the crime rate will drop by up to 20 percent."

Nothing of the sort happened, in fact just the opposite took place. In 1997, just 12 months after the new laws went into effect, across Australia homicides jumped 3.2 percent, armed robberies were up a whopping 44 percent, assaults up 8.6 and in the state of Victoria there was a 300 percent increase in homicides. Prior to the new dictatorial anti-gun laws, statistics showed a steady decrease in armed robberies with firearms; now, there has been a dramatic increase in break-ins, especially against the elderly.

In 1998, in the state of South Australia, robbery with a firearm increased nearly 60 percent. In 1999, new figures reveal that the assault rates in the state of NSW has risen almost 20 percent.
There's a lot more, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss them as being too conservative...

Hell, I'd consider myself more left than right if I had to, but facts are facts, whether you like them or not.

And it's JBH, not SBH, ***.

Blue Meanie:

http://jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1607610 said:
armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent. In the
Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
One more for the home team:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/fire ... topia.html

The District of Columbia and Maryland, which have gun bans and other severe restrictions on gun purchase and ownership, retained their regrettable distinctions as having the highest murder and robbery rates.
 
#16 ·
Blue Meanie - First, I want to thank you for keeping this discussion repectful. I think from reading some other posts of yours that I understand your position on this topic and appreciate your willingness to discuss it in a civil manner.

RE: accidental gun deaths, the numbers are very low in the US. This is another myth that those opposed to gun ownershipuse to distort people's views in order to sway their opinions about guns. Here's just a small snippit:

Accidental deaths with guns have been decreasing for decades, and are at an all time low. Since 1930, the annual number of such accidents has decreased 77%, while the U.S. population has more than doubled and the number of privately owned guns has quintupled. Among children, fatal gun accidents have decreased 90% since 1975. (National Center for Health Statistics and National Safety Council) Today, the odds are more than a million to one against a child in the U.S. dieing in a firearm related accident.

The per capita rate of accidental deaths with guns is at an all-time low, down 93% since the all-time high in 1904. Gun accidents account for less than 0.7% of accidental deaths. Most accidental deaths involve motor vehicles or are due to drowning, falls, fires, poisoning, medical mistakes, choking on ingested objects and environmental factors.
One other item rarely mentioned in gun debates is the staggering number of people who use guns to prevent a crime or stop cimes in progress. Of course, those who wish to ban guns like to say that a gun in a home is more likely to be used against the homeowner or by a family member to commit suicide or be shot accidently, but the BATF's own statistics have proven that completely false. I can't speak for others here, but I grew up in a home with guns. I knew where they were and hunted all my life. I also knew that they were not toys and was taught to respect human life. I never once considered touching one of my dad's guns without his permission. I now have two boys and they, too, know all about my guns. I took my youngest hunting just last weekend. But I have instilled in them the same respect for the weapons and for human life that my dad instilled in me. That is still no guarantee that they won't get hurt by a gun or that they won't misuse one in the future, but I like my chances much more than someone whose kid doesn't know how to repect a firearm.
 
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