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Postby rescuejockey » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:46 pm

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Yes its true even in 2014. Here above is Kenda Klever 285 75 r16 on american racing 767 rims. The rims/wheels have a +12 backspacing and they are 16x8. After some more time I've noticed some rubbing. Maybe my torsion bars are not as stiff as they were before or just worn out suspension. I have 160,000 miles on the trooper and it appears to be stock all around. I want some more clearance so I'm going to move forward with a torsion bar crank and spring change along with shocks all around.

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Re: Yes its true… the 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper

Postby mustanger999 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:21 pm

rescuejockey wrote:No rubbing

Unless you flex it.
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Re: Yes its true… the 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper

Postby rescuejockey » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:55 pm

Yes, unless you flex it, but it's a start. Good thing I have a independent 4x4 body lift ready to be installed. It's only 1 inch but I want to stay close to factory. Anyone have a suspension lift they are using in conjunction with body lift. Thoughs? I see the ome springs are the way to go. I'm not looking for crazy height but good flexing for some trails
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Re: Yes its true… the 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper

Postby nasty610 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:33 pm

A set of 4" inner diameter springs with a free length around 18" and a rate of 180 lbs/in do very well in the Trooper and give it around 3" of lift. It just so happens Jeep used springs in that size on the 1st gen Grand Cherokee. You can cut them down for desired lift or use another springs that have a shorter free length. Since these are OEM springs you can purchase through vendor's like Rock Auto, Auto Zone and Advance Auto for around $100.

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Re: Yes its true… the 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper

Postby rescuejockey » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:41 am

thanks nasty610, I'm seriously considering your mod with the jeep springs on your feed.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Well it looks like I'm going to assemble some parts for a lift. I already have the 1 inch independent 4x body lift ready to be installed. I would like to buy the OME 2919 or 2929 but it seems a bit expensive and need coil spacers along with them. I think I'm going to go with the moog cc784 springs and new OE shocks all around. I'm going to crank the stock torsion bars for now and later replace and upgrade. I hope anyone else can give some insight or show their lifts on their own troopers. I'll try my best to keep the upgrades documented and pictured along the way.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby BigSwede » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:43 pm

rescuejockey wrote:Well it looks like I'm going to assemble some parts for a lift. I already have the 1 inch independent 4x body lift ready to be installed. I would like to buy the OME 2919 or 2929 but it seems a bit expensive and need coil spacers along with them. I think I'm going to go with the moog cc784 springs and new OE shocks all around. I'm going to crank the stock torsion bars for now and later replace and upgrade. I hope anyone else can give some insight or show their lifts on their own troopers. I'll try my best to keep the upgrades documented and pictured along the way.

Personally, I see no need for a body lift on a 2nd gen Trooper unless you are running 35s or larger. Those 285s should fit easily with 2" of lift, and OME 919s or 929s will give you about 2" of lift on their own, shouldn't need a coil spacer.

Unless of course you just want your rig to be tall for the sake of being tall. Then go nuts. 6" is doable with a 3" suspension lift and 3" body lift.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby totten » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:52 pm

Nice looking trooper. Cranks the bars in front and add coil spacers in rear with stock springs. Cheap way of doing it. Look at CALMINI.com for their lift on trooper later on. LIKE THE ROOF BASKET,FRONTEND BULL BAR.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:00 pm

thanks totten, i plan on doing the torsion bar crank very soon. I just received the moog cc784 springs and new shocks and plan on putting more on the feed and showing my lift. I might consider OME one day but they are a tad too expensive for me. Be looking for the pictures
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:46 pm

BigSwede wrote:
rescuejockey wrote:Well it looks like I'm going to assemble some parts for a lift. I already have the 1 inch independent 4x body lift ready to be installed. I would like to buy the OME 2919 or 2929 but it seems a bit expensive and need coil spacers along with them. I think I'm going to go with the moog cc784 springs and new OE shocks all around. I'm going to crank the stock torsion bars for now and later replace and upgrade. I hope anyone else can give some insight or show their lifts on their own troopers. I'll try my best to keep the upgrades documented and pictured along the way.

Personally, I see no need for a body lift on a 2nd gen Trooper unless you are running 35s or larger. Those 285s should fit easily with 2" of lift, and OME 919s or 929s will give you about 2" of lift on their own, shouldn't need a coil spacer.

Unless of course you just want your rig to be tall for the sake of being tall. Then go nuts. 6" is doable with a 3" suspension lift and 3" body lift.


Thanks Big Swede, I'm going to try Nasty610 suggestion for the springs, be checking back for the pics,

Ive spied your trooper on your posts, I'm kinda a big fan
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:13 pm

Just a little recap. Overall I'm very happy with the Kenda 285s on my 99 trooper. It does rub some when in reverse turning and when I take a quick turn and up a hill or steep driveway. Other than those times I'm having no problems at all. The rubbing seems to be at the top of the well but nowhere else that I can see. I still have yet to have someone drive it so spot where exactly its happening, I don't see any evidence. I suspect the rubbing is very minimal at best and for most cases other brand 285 tires will fit with no problems, but these are kenda tires and they are different. I hear Kenda mostly deals with industrial, bicycle, carts and tractor tires and just recently joined the auto market. Their reviews are good and I thought I would gamble on them. I currently have about 1500 miles and no complaints at all

Today I replaced all the shocks around with KYB MonoMax shocks. Every one of my shocks I took off the trooper was stock and not working at all, no expanding when pushed in. I noticeably saw that the trooper was driving better after replaced. The road noise from the Kenda Tires was reduced along with better ride comfort, it seemed a little stiffer but the tires still rubbed a little bit but my next move is to place new springs in the back and crank the torsion bar. I decided on the Moog CC784 that Nasty suggested. Keep looking back for the pictures and reviews

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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby BigSwede » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:28 am

Those factory shocks are pretty soccer-mom soft to start with...definitely worth an upgrade...ten years ago :laughing5:

I can't see your pics here at work, but based on the offset of the wheels in your sig pic the most likely place for rubbing is the back of the wheel well, or second the lowest corner of the bumper end. There is a standing seam under the liner at the back that can be hammered flat for a bit more clearance, although you probably won't need to do that with some lift in place.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby wmorrisiii » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:05 am

Wow, those shocks were tired...I expect it feels like a new truck with the shock and spring upgrades.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby mtman » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:35 pm

The problem isn't the lift, the problem is the rim. Throw some stock rims on and your rubbing problem will be gone.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:41 pm

The Moog Spring cc784 Lift and torsion bar crank is done. I must say I'm very happy with the appearance and the quality of the ride. It all went very well except for some cheap gorilla lug nuts decided to fuse with 3 wheel bolts and break off. It took some time to find the parts, had to visit 3 different shops. On the job itself we jacked up the pumpkin, took the tires off and secured the frame. Shortly after removing the shocks and dropping the rear suspension. We never even picked up the spring compressor, they came out and went in with very slight prying, almost fell out. Shortly after we drove around the compound in Palm Bay and settled in the adjustments. It looks like 2 inches almost exactly in the front and 2 3/4 in the rear. The spring seated very nicely and no clicks pops noticed at any time. I turned the torsion bars exactly 8 full turns, even measured the clean threads on the top of bolts. It looks very nice. Somebody here said that when you get big tires it really feels like a truck, thats true. The shocks greatly improved the comfort of the ride, and so did the springs and stiffer suspensions. I don't hear the MT tires as much. Already took it on some bumpy and muddy roads, no rubbing what so ever.The Trooper was spongy before and now if feels stiffer yet more comfortable. Maybe its because of the variable rate springs. I'm sure the OME springs are much better in some regards but this lift is really good, and much cheaper. Big thank you to Nasty610.

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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper some rubbing, now li

Postby TheOneKnownAsMe » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:04 pm

I really like the look of your trooper. Where did you get those KYB shocks? The cheapest I could find them was for $50 on Amazon.

Do you have a 5sp or an automatic?
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Postby rescuejockey » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:43 pm

Thanks it's an automatic with Torque on demand and I bought the KYB shocks on Amazon.
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Postby TheOneKnownAsMe » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:52 pm

How does the automatic do with those 285s? I'm trying to decide between 285s and 265s, so I would love to hear some thoughts there.
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Postby mtman » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:55 pm

I thought mine did fine and actually retained good mileage.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby mtman » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:06 pm

rescuejockey wrote:Every one of my shocks I took off the trooper was stock and not working at all, no expanding when pushed in.


The factory shocks are very soft and those may have not been gas charged, but hydraulic which wouldn't expand by design. If they are floppy or leaky then they are definitely dead. IMO gas charged shocks work much better with the Trooper suspension and reduce body roll whereas hydraulic are nice on stiff solid leaf sprung axles.

Are the KYB rear shocks you purchased the stock part # and if so are they any longer than the stock rear shock expanded? I may be considering a set myself next. If not be careful you don't over extend the new shock and trash it.

By the way, that truck's looking really nice. What's next???
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Postby rescuejockey » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:04 pm

TheOneKnownAsMe wrote:How does the automatic do with those 285s? I'm trying to decide between 285s and 265s, so I would love to hear some thoughts there.


I haven't owned 265s so I wouldn't be able to provide any help there. I kinda wished that I bought 265s initially for the clearance but now I'm fine with the 285s after the lift. I can say that I owned stock 245s AT Pirelli Scorpions and got 13 mpg city, now with the 285 MT kenda's I only get 10-11 mpg. But I'm not getting the tires for the economy, if I cared I would own a Prius.

I just met another off-road driver who owned kendas about a year and he was very happy.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper some rubbing, now li

Postby rescuejockey » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:07 pm

TheOneKnownAsMe wrote:How does the automatic do with those 285s? I'm trying to decide between 285s and 265s, so I would love to hear some thoughts there.


I'm happy with the 285s and I can noticeably see any problems with the MT tires and Automatic Transmission. Gas mileage on the other hand has gone down quite a bit.
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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd ten trooper but some rubbing

Postby rescuejockey » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:13 pm

mtman wrote:
rescuejockey wrote:Every one of my shocks I took off the trooper was stock and not working at all, no expanding when pushed in.


Are the KYB rear shocks you purchased the stock part # and if so are they any longer than the stock rear shock expanded? I may be considering a set myself next. If not be careful you don't over extend the new shock and trash it.

By the way, that truck's looking really nice. What's next???


the shocks are the stock, kyb 565022 & 565023. I'm sure they don't extend far enough but installing they seemed fine. I couldn't tell you what the total extension was, guess I should have looked at it.

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Re: 285s fit on a stock 2nd gen trooper some rubbing, now li

Postby TheOneKnownAsMe » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:18 am

rescuejockey wrote:
TheOneKnownAsMe wrote:How does the automatic do with those 285s? I'm trying to decide between 285s and 265s, so I would love to hear some thoughts there.


I'm happy with the 285s and I can noticeably see any problems with the MT tires and Automatic Transmission. Gas mileage on the other hand has gone down quite a bit.


That's good to hear. A reduction in MPG I can handle, and my transmission has been well taken care of, so I think I should be fine going up to 285s. Should probably get a transmission cooler to make sure.
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Postby CREEPER » Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:35 am

Good looking rig, bud! Here's my 285 KENDA MTs mounted up on my box stock 95

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