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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby lorenzo816 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:07 pm

Slather that sucker in some RTV and call it a day!
Or heck! - get some of that gasket material you can hand cut and use that instead.
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:12 pm

chuffer wrote:I hate those cork gaskets with the little steel pucks. VW used them on the 4 popper valve covers forever and I could never get more than a couple of 10k km out of them. You can't get a rubber version of just that gasket?

This dumb gasket was impossible to find on it's own, so I bought a whole low-end gasket kit. I didn't know if I was going to need any of the others - I should know for sure after doing the next oil pressure test - but it will be good backup to have on hand in case I need to do an oil pan, water pump, oil filter/oil cooler thingy, etc.

Hopefully when I pull the one off of the old stocker engine, I'll know what OEM was and do what I can to duplicate. I have plenty of RTV if I need it. Will update later on!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby btw1549 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:33 pm

paulevans76 wrote:Got the little cam cover thing off and I received the new gasket set - thankfully including the needed gasket - which is cork with little crush washers. Had to use a lot of elbow grease to get all the rtv and funk off of the cover.

I looked through my FSM V6 supplement and couldn't find a torque spec on it, but considering it's 10mm bolts and just a cover, I'm assuming it's going to be around 15-20 lb-ft. I'm going to pull the one off the old 2.8 and see if there's any RTV on it or if it's just gasket to make sure I do it correctly. After it's on, I'll prime the oil pump and bring up the pressure and see if anything else leaks before manhandling the trans back into place.

Then, we feast (on gasoline).


For future reference the torque spec is actually 7.5ftlbs. I found this website which has been a saving grace when it comes to torque specs on this motor: http://www.torkspec.com/torkspecme.aspx ... L-171ci-V6

Also I use this stuff on all of my engine gaskets minus the exhaust and head gaskets:
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:38 pm

You are the man! Thanks for that! I'm bookmarking that page. Awesome.

And of course, I assumed I could still find my RTV...anti-seize, dielectric grease, thread locker, etc etc is all right at hand, but the RTV has walked off somewhere. I think I used it last on my front diff cover, and that was last year. Figures. I'll grab a can of that stuff.

I pulled the cam cover and chipped off some of the gasket from my 2.8 on the stand, and it looks like cork in the middle, with the crush washer things, and the remnants of what was likely RTV which had hardened but was still somewhat pliable. So I have my game plan - just gotta get the sealant and get on it.
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:33 pm

If I remember right the torque was like 30, not much more than snug. I put one on with no sealer and it was seeping pretty good after 10K when I pulled the trans. The last time I lightly coated it and so far nothing has dripped on that end. I have never seen this gasket in rubber, just the cork with the brass inserts. I would not even call them crush washers. Hope to hear this thing is up and running very soon.
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:00 am

Cam cover, flywheel, clutch done yesterday; trans in tonight. Took about 4 hrs solo. Just me, 3 jack stands, 2 ratchet straps, and my floor jack. I'm BEAT.
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:26 am

Hopefully the stabbing of the trans went ok. It is a bugger by yourself, I know. Next step is go get it fired up and check for leaks!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:01 pm

Before I put the flywheel on, I got the oil pressure up to full psi for a few minutes via the pump under the diz and no leaks. Did that a few times. If it leaks now, it's just gonna leak, because there's no way I'm going to pull that trans back off any time soon :lol:

Starter and flywheel seem to be pretty well meshed.

Forgot to put on the dust cover when I installed the trans though! So that was extra time today. Got the rest of the crossmember bolts in and pulled the starter, installed dust cover, installed starter (for the billionth time). Connected the little bit of wiring for the trans. Still need to put oil in the trans, install shifters, connect speedo cable, torque output nuts, and then I can install driveshafts.

But before driveshafts I need to put the exhaust back on.

Then:
Reinstall the distributor
Reinstall some stuff on the grill and zip tie that bad boy back on :blackeye:
Should probably put on a new fuel filter
Crank, set timing
Break in cam
Drive 500 miles
Change oil
Drive to Uwharrie
Go 4-Wheelin'

Probability of the last two isn't quite 0, but it's a tall order!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby chuffer » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:07 pm

Yeeessss!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby bradzuzu » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:22 pm

I hope you make it !!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:52 am

The Ever Growing Ever Loving List
  • Oil in case
  • install shifters
  • connect speedo cable
  • torque tcase output nuts
  • install exhaust (halfway done)
  • install driveshafts
  • Reinstall the distributor
  • Grill stuff
  • fuel filter
  • Set timing
  • Break in cam
  • Grease RCV's
  • Check wheel bearings
  • Install rear bumpstops
  • Break in engine (Drive 500 miles)
  • Change oil
  • Pack campin/wheelin stuff
  • Drive to Uwharrie
  • Go 4-Wheelin'
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:02 pm

You are making progress!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby bradzuzu » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:17 pm

Somehow I'm pretty sure you'll have yours running before mine lol

I'm spacing out part of the projects to keep cost down per paycheck withdraw :) Atleast most of it is just time and function related it's those headgaskets /headbolt , turbo parts (and fic) that's gonna hurt !!

I pray that the rest of your required assemblies go off without a hitch ... Being a dad and trying to build a rig ain't easy ..
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:48 pm

The Ever Growing Ever Loving List
  • Oil in case
  • install shifters
  • connect speedo cable
  • torque tcase output nuts
  • install exhaust
  • Grill stuff
  • fuel filter
  • install driveshafts
  • Reinstall the distributor
  • Set timing
  • Break in cam
  • Grease RCV's
  • Check wheel bearings
  • Install rear bumpstops
  • Bleed clutch
  • Bleed power steering
  • Break in engine (Drive 500 miles)
  • Change oil
  • Pack campin/wheelin stuff
  • Drive to Uwharrie
  • Go 4-Wheelin'

May get the driveshafts and RCV's done later this evening
91 SAS Trooper - Neverending tinkering
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:26 pm

Went after the distributor for an hour. I am so mad that I reused the hard coolant lines on the back of the block. Shoulda just ran hoses all the way so they wouldn't be in the way when trying to get that STUPID distributor hold down bolt in. Good God. If I'd have done that, I'd be done with it, instead of cussing loud enough for the rest of the neighborhood to hear me. It's one of those things you just gotta fiddle with blindly and with your fingertips while the rest of your hand and arm are being ripped to shreds until you get lucky and it starts to thread in. Bah!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:42 pm

Yup that distributor bolt is a huge pain to get the bolt in and the lockwasher at the same time. And then when you have it set and tighten it up the darn thing will move just a tiny bit. I ran a tiny wire under the lockwasher to keep it on the bolt. It goes better if you have the hood off also. Get a swivel socket, that helps to tighten it up. Almost there!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby chuffer » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:03 pm

paulevans76 wrote:Went after the distributor for an hour. I am so mad that I reused the hard coolant lines on the back of the block. Shoulda just ran hoses all the way so they wouldn't be in the way when trying to get that STUPID distributor hold down bolt in. Good God. If I'd have done that, I'd be done with it, instead of cussing loud enough for the rest of the neighborhood to hear me. It's one of those things you just gotta fiddle with blindly and with your fingertips while the rest of your hand and arm are being ripped to shreds until you get lucky and it starts to thread in. Bah!


Jeebus, I don't even have the same motor, but I feel like I've been there. As long as you don't kick the dog or yell at the kids! :blackeye:
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:12 am

I just yelled to the empty garage :blackeye:

hessmess, I don't think I ever had a lock washer on this or the old engine :shock:

Usually I've got an extend-o magnet holding the 'hold down' fork thingy in place while I fiddle with the bolt. I was underneath snaking my arms up around the trans, going at it from the side through the fender, from the top... ugh. Then inevitably they both fall down, one piece going this way, one piece going that way, or one/the other/both getting hung up somewhere seemingly impossible. Anyway. I will go swivel socket this time once I have it in place. Just getting it started in the hole is the hardest part and was denied for an hour last night. Once I get that this afternoon, it's awn! Petrol will burn!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:07 am

After you mentioned no lock washer I realized you were right. My mind is getting old and feeble I guess. So what I did was to use the little wire to keep the hold down and bolt together. One less thing to fall apart. I just wound the wire around the thread under the hold down. And I mean a tiny wire, like the size of one wire in the telephone wire. It is copper and just smashed down I guess. I hope it fires right up today!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:09 pm

The Ever Growing Ever Loving List
  • Oil in case
  • install shifters
  • connect speedo cable
  • torque tcase output nuts
  • install exhaust
  • Grill stuff
  • fuel filter
  • install driveshafts
  • Reinstall the distributor
  • Set timing
  • Break in cam
  • Grease RCV's
  • Check wheel bearings
  • Install rear bumpstops
  • Bleed clutch
  • Bleed power steering
  • Break in engine (Drive 500 miles)
  • Change oil
  • Pack campin/wheelin stuff
  • Drive to Uwharrie
  • Go 4-Wheelin'

Pulling the coil and egr thingy off made the diz hold down a lot easier to get down. Hate to have wasted time when I could have done that all along :blackeye:

Trying to find that dang special synth grease for the RCV's....
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby lorenzo816 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:20 pm

save the greasing for at the campground and jack up the axle, take off the tires, rotate and feel how much pressure you have rotating.
This may get you ahead two hops onto other things related to the engine.
I hear ya you want to check those, but the front shouldn't turn unless its in 4wd and hubs are turned, so you can check those later.
The bearings i totally understand you want to check before heading out putting a lot of miles on them, but a 'feeler' test will prove whether you need to adjust preload.
Unless you think they are pitted and shot!
We can put in those bump stops in the campground too

just trying to save you some time Mr. Paul!!
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby paulevans76 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:13 pm

The Ever Growing Ever Loving List
  • Oil in case
  • install shifters
  • connect speedo cable
  • torque tcase output nuts
  • install exhaust
  • Grill stuff
  • fuel filter
  • install driveshafts
  • Reinstall the distributor
  • Set timing - still need to fine tune
  • Break in cam
  • Grease RCV's
  • Check wheel bearings
  • Install rear bumpstops
  • Bleed clutch
  • Bleed power steering
  • Break in engine (Drive 500 miles)
  • Change oil
  • Pack campin/wheelin stuff
  • Drive to Uwharrie
  • Go 4-Wheelin'

Doesn't want to idle high enough when I first start it. Did get the cam broken in. Found a leak at an oil cooler hose connection, but I think I got it, it was just a little loose. Need to bleed the clutch! Pulled it out of the garage and mounted the Generals, and she's lookin' good in the sunshine!

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Power steering seems ok after topping it off, steering it back n forth, repeat, etc.

Gettin' there :mrgreen:
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby chuffer » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:24 pm

Fookin Awesome.

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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby hessmess » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:35 pm

Looking good out in the sunshine, I had forgotten about the SAS. Glad it is almost there.
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Re: Coil/Radius arm SAS 1st gen Trooper - fine tuning/new mo

Postby bradzuzu » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:28 am

I forgot high high it sat , kinda helps me think and decide on mine !!

Looks almost ready , keep at it buddy !!
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