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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:53 pm

OK, so here are some pics of the engine that came out of the Amigo:

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I do vaguely recall Lou making reference to Chevy, I feel a little silly now for dragging the darn thing home when I know so little about it! LOL!! I'll ping him and I suspect he'll be able to enlighten me/us.

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:59 pm

It's a 4.3 V-6. That's a 90 degree engine (angle between the cylinder banks). What tranny did he have behind it? Can't mate to a Zu tranny w/o an adapter. Dennis
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:44 am

DSUZU wrote:It's a 4.3 V-6. That's a 90 degree engine (angle between the cylinder banks). What tranny did he have behind it? Can't mate to a Zu tranny w/o an adapter. Dennis


Wow, far out! It was definitely not an ISUZU transmission, and the truck was 2WD so I didn't think it would be of any use to me... which I hope was a correct assumption. Sounding like this might be a fairly involved process to make work?

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby paulevans76 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 pm

There's an adapter out there I believe to adapt a 90* pattern to 60* if you wanted to put a 1st gen v6 mua5 behind it. Might be a bit more to it to find the right flywheel and clutch package setup, but if you're swapping into a rig that's already got a 2.8 and the 4.3 is a tbi engine as well, the harness will work with a couple wire extensions and a 4.3 computer. Geoff knows a bit more on the subject. Then you've just got motor mounts and a little exhaust fab.

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby chuffer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:45 am

Isuzuuuboy just posted up in my build thread about this adapter. If there is interest, give him a shout.

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby chuffer » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:56 am

And all I can say about motors for first gen troopers is save your pennies and get one of the turbo diesels! The smoke will keep the mosquitoes at bay and the low end power will keep you smiling.
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:53 pm

A diesel engine would indeed be amazing! I would likely lunge at one if it came around at a reasonable price, the obvious problem being that they don't often come around period let alone at a reasonable price. :roll: Now that I've started to tow the "egg" I am at least toying with doing the upgraded cam and air intake stuff, possibly in conjunction with my current rebuild - Squatch took me in a ride in his Trooper at one of the ISUZU gatherings and I was blown away by the speed and power!! :shock:

Speaking of which, a few pictures of the "new" 2.6L project. The used engine arrived a little over a week ago:

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I've had a heavy travel schedule for work, as well as other car repairs to attend to so was just able to start the process of dismantling and inspecting it yesterday. The head bolts were frozen solid so it took me forever to get them broken loose, by mid-afternoon I was able to get the head off and got my first look at the block and pistons. Aside from some damage to the head gasket itself on a couple cylinders, everything looks to be in good shape overall which is a relief:

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I got the remainder of the fluids drained out and the engine mounted on the stand which is as far as I got yesterday:

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Today I had hoped to dismantle the lower end, pull the pistons and pack the block up so it's ready for the machine shop but I got caught up in a bunch of other things. I'm scheduled to take another multi-day excursion like the Georgia trip this coming week (this time starting in North Carolina and tracking northeast along the Appalachian Mountains into Virginia), so I probably won't make much engine progress until I get back. More updates as I make progress though!

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Micro update... my excursion was postponed, so since I didn't need to be gearing up I took a little time to tinker more on the engine after work today. I took a bunch of paranoia pictures (details of the current engine state so I'd have some breadcrumbs on my return trip if needed), drained more fluids out of the block then got the lower oil pan removed. To my eye things still look OK which is muy bueno:

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The box from Clegg's arrived today, so the parts needed to refurbish are all lined up as well:

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I recall at this point on the Amigo 2.6L rebuild I made an error which I'm hoping not to repeat. When removing the crankshaft, pistons, etc., I know I need to be careful to keep track of the numbers on the caps, and I'll make sure to note which piston was from which cylinder... that's about it, though correct? i.e: I can remove and toss any/all of the bearings without keeping track of them as they'll all get replaced anyway?

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby bradzuzu » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:26 am

A quick easy thing to do Jonathan is to clean the piston tops and put an arrow and number in them , a simple punch can be used to number the rods with there caps , one dot on each piece for cyl 1 , two dots for 2 and so on.. can leave #4 blank since it's the last one and you can punch mark the caps the same way ... all the bearings can be tossed but take some pictures of them and the crank so we can see how things look :)

If you want to make arrows on the main caps take a small cold chisel and make a two sided triangle pointing forward , you shouldn't have any issues after that ...
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:34 am

The 2.6 I just tore down actually already had all the rods numbered (about 1/8" on one side of rod and cap). IIRC, isn't there a pip or something denoting which direction on the piston faces forward? (mine have the triangle cut out so it is more obvious - I have a before picture in my files). Working on my cylinder head right now - clean up, replacing valve stem seals. Dennis
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:09 pm

FWIW, your pistons do have the pips at the front of each piston. I can see them in your first picture. Dennis
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:53 am

Everything continues to look good at least to my somewhat unprofessional eye - no obvious wear on any of the bearings, crank or block, and all of the cylinders are basically pristine. Here's a handful of representative pictures:

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby bradzuzu » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:23 am

The bearings look real good , the cylinders need a quick hone job before you can get an idea on condition , I'd imagine that it could use an overbore ...
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby superman27344 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:26 pm

Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond. The engine that came from the parts amigo was a gm 3.1 v6. Here are some pics of it when it was still in the amigo.
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:18 pm

Pretty sure that is a 4.3. Never heard of a 3.1 in the 90 degree block. Dennis
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby superman27344 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:29 pm

The 3.1 is a 60 degree block. Not sure where you got that its a 90 degree block in those pics but all the paper work that came with it even said it was a gm 3.1. That is why I gave it to shaggy for his daughter's trooper that has the 2.8 in it.


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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:34 pm

I don't want to start a p-----g contest, but here are the 60 degree (2.8, 3.1, 3.4 etc) as compared to the 90 degree (which also came as a 3.3, but only very early engines)
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby superman27344 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:16 pm

Well if Dennis is right, sorry that the almost free engine might be a better engine than we thought Shaggy, lol.


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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby bradzuzu » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:49 pm

That is a good engine (4.3) but you'd have to chang the trany and tcase to a Chevy one ... or get the adapter :)
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:34 pm

Today I got a little time in on the 2.6 project, I got the remaining components removed from the block and did the first round of "doinking":

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The block itself will need another round, but some of the miscellaneous components are looking pretty good:

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On deck? Pistons!

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby bradzuzu » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:55 pm

Looking good , the rods look stained from lack of oil changes but other than that the bearing looks like it's in good shape !!

Did you do the numbering or where the main caps stamped Jonathan ?
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:16 pm

Pretty sure the caps on the 2.6 I just tore down are factory numbered. Dennis
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby shaggydoink » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:54 am

bradzuzu wrote:Did you do the numbering or were the main caps stamped Jonathan ?

DSUZU wrote:Pretty sure the caps on the 2.6 I just tore down are factory numbered. Dennis


I didn't notice at first as the numbers were pretty small, but the rods and caps were all stamped on mine already as well. I did a little prep cleaning on them yesterday, and have some Chem-Dip being delivered in a couple days, never used this before personally but looks like it does wonders from all of the posts and videos I've seen online.

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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby bradzuzu » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:23 am

If that stuffs anything like carb cleaner it stinks , be careful with it and don't get it on your skin...
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Re: 1990 Trooper Refresh Project

Postby DSUZU » Fri May 05, 2017 8:19 pm

Updates on this project? Maybe, just maybe, I'll get a bit of an update on mine this weekend - maybe. Dennis
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