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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby 800XL » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:50 am

Hope you heal up quick Chris.

To give you something else to ponder: I was thinking about all the pinging issues you've had and it suddenly occurred to me that the fuel injected 2.3L powered Impulse I pulled the engine from for my 86 had something that isn't on the 2.6L Trooper ITEC. It had a knock sensor. Got me thinking about how similar/different the ECU on the two must be, and if some Impulse parts ECU might help keep a high compression 2.6L from pinging under load.

Also, why so dead set against more duration on the cam? You could get a small bit more duration from the stock stock 93+ cam, also the same as used in that Impulse 2.3L. Still a stock cam, technically.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby shaggydoink » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:25 am

chuffer wrote:That little walk in the snow was my last hurrah before back surgery, which was yesterday.


I hope you have a quick and easy recovery Chris! :thumbup:

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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:31 pm

Thanks for the positive thoughts, all. So far, so good.

Paul, I will certainly be biding my time hunting that axle. I will probably go directly to ARBs, because it sounds like a broken shaft in an elocker can be a real nightmare...

Tim, the knock sensor is an interesting idea. I too wonder what other differences there are. As for the shorter duration thing, perhaps I am getting into the range of negative / no return, but shorter duration should be better for low rpm torque.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby 800XL » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:12 pm

I had already planned to pull most of the engine and ECU harness from my parts Impulse before I get rid of the remains. I'll have to take some pics of things and pull some part numbers next time I'm up there by it. The ECU could be really similar to the 2.6L and be able to run it with minimal mods, or it could be a very different beast. Hard telling. I think a lot of the ITEC from the 2.6L was derived from the Impulse design, but I'm basing that on looks alone.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby gruff54 » Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:45 am

Chris, hope you heal quick. Follow the Dr.'s orders.

800XL wrote:To give you something else to ponder: I was thinking about all the pinging issues you've had and it suddenly occurred to me that the fuel injected 2.3L powered Impulse I pulled the engine from for my 86 had something that isn't on the 2.6L Trooper ITEC. It had a knock sensor. Got me thinking about how similar/different the ECU on the two must be, and if some Impulse parts ECU might help keep a high compression 2.6L from pinging under load.


Interesting. Where is there knock sensor located? Is there a "port" on the 2.6 for it?

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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby 800XL » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:09 pm

It was bolted into the block on the driver side above the motor mount. I believe the same hole is there on the 2.6L block


http://workshop-manuals.com/isuzu/impulse/l4-1994cc_2.0l_(4zc1-t)/powertrain_management/ignition_system/knock_sensor/component_information/specifications/page_1385/
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby gruff54 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:47 am

Tim,
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby hessmess » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:31 pm

What is going on with stinky? Haven't seen anything for some time! Or stinkys daddy.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby bradzuzu » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:55 pm

He's doing good as far as know , been on allot of business trips and using that time to heal hopefully ... Ain't that right Chris lol

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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:19 pm

Uggh. Been forever since I've checked in here. Just soooo busy. The day job keeps me traveling and on weekends I help the wife with the winery.

Stinky is alive, but still has a laundry list of stuff that needs done for camping season:

1. Uh...motor swap (again). Need to get the low comp 2.6 back in. Need waterpump, t-belt, tensioner and a camseal. Then it is motorswapparty time.
2. Need to find the electrical leak. After about a week of sitting the battery is dead. This is just a question of me buckling down and trouble shooting, but on the otherhand I am also hoping that when I pull the ECU piggyback, the problem goes away.
3. Prolly should service the spring bushings and front shocks at some point too.
4. If I am really feeling motivated, I'll finally get around to the dual battery setup, but #2 above has put a bit of a dent in my lust for mucking with wires...
5. Go wheeling and camping.

The knock sensor idea is cool, but prolly for Stinky V3.0 in a couple of years.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby DSUZU » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:31 pm

Glad to see you're back up Chris. Dennis
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby shaggydoink » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:09 am

chuffer wrote:5. Go wheeling and camping.


Of all the items on the list, this one seems like the clear priority to me. :mrgreen:

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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:57 am

DSUZU wrote:Glad to see you're back up Chris. Dennis


Oh, me too. The only problem is that I'm my own worst enemy. Start feeling better and figure I can help out moving equipment or chop wood or give the wife a piggyback ride...gosh, my backs bugging me again. How'd that happen? I really am that stupid.

Jonathon,

I really need to do #1 and then I can skip right to #5.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby bradzuzu » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:41 am

This guy is one sneaky devil !!

That's all I have to say about that :)
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:11 pm

I have no idea what he is talking about...
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby hessmess » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:18 pm

Someone should enlighten us!
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:01 pm

Nothing special really. Still fighting the ping-problem. I was teasing Brad about just yanking the high-comp motor and replacing it with a low-comp turbo motor.

I did figure out that I have had the FIC (fuel and ignition controller) hooked up wrong and it wasn't retarding the timing. Now -a year later- I can finally start working on tuning away the ping I hope. I was suffering from a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby bradzuzu » Sat May 14, 2016 11:07 am

I'm sure glad you found that out , unfortunately there might be something boogered up...
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Postby chuffer » Tue May 24, 2016 1:55 am

Been a while. This is just not my year. The winery and the day job are keeping me busy enough, but on top of that my own damned body is out to get me. Back surgery went well and I seemed to be recovering -enough so that I started mountain biking again. Then the day after my 44th birthday my pancreas decides it is going on strike -acute pancreatitis. Spent two weeks in and out of the hospital getting treated for that. Seems to be better now, but I am on a no booze and super low-fat diet, which for me is the deepest darkest cruelest most non-funny irony ever. Anyway, enough whining. I'm alive everything else is bonus, right?

So, truck stuff.

I have been having ping problems with the new high-comp motor since I built it. I added an FIC (after market Fuel and Ignition Controller) system to control ignition and eliminate ping, but it didn't seem to work. I found out recently that the reason the FIC didn't fix teh ping problem is because I had the little ficker facker fooker hooked up wrong. Switched one wire and bingo we no longer have ping!!!

More detail if you want it: The FIC looked like it was working fine, but it wasn't controlling the timing advance / retard. This suspicion had been with me for a while, but I kept ignoring it because the FIC was getting a signal from the dizzy and the signal corresponded to rpms. A closer look at the wiring shows that the there are two hot wires to/from the crank sensor. Maybe I got the wrong one? The FIC manual said to use Vsignal as opposed to Vref and that is what I did, but I wanted to check. Thirty seconds of actually turning my brain on and using it allowed me to come up with a test. I figured I could set the timing to values that would cause the motor not to run at all. Then I could fire it up see what happened. Set the whole damned ignition map to 50 degrees retarded and the motor ran like nothing was wrong. Aha!! Switched from Vsignal to Vref going into the FIC and I then suddenly I could magically control timing and eliminate ping...only took two years.

Sadly, even after all that, the new motor still has to come out. Luckily a freshly rebuilt motor is waiting for me in the garage. The old one smokes really really bad when I get back on the throttle after engine braking downhill. I have one cylinder with lower (175 psi others are at 200+). Brad thinks I didn't get the rings and the cylinder run in correctly. I think I either killed a ring with all the pinging or screwed up the install. I checked the end gap and it was in spec, but the crank was VERY easy to turn with everything installed.

Hmm, what else? The dual battery stuff is still waiting for me to get to it. Did I mention having absolutely no time to do anything already?

Either the rear locker, some leaf spring / shackle bushing or my front axle makes a nasty pop when I start driving in reverse with the steering at full p-side lock. I really hope it is just a bushing, but it literally only happens when I back up into the driveway. The other day, i had teh wifey back into the driveway while I hawkeyed the front axle and springs, but, of course, it didn't pop. Hahah.

Anyway, maybe I'll actually go wheeling, camping or exploring this year and post up some pictars.

Thanks for reading.
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby hessmess » Tue May 24, 2016 10:42 am

Good to hear you are back on your feet. I had to Google your condition to see what it was. Sound like it was no picnic. I hope that the symptoms don't come back. It actually sounds like if it was Chronic vs Acute, that acute is the better choice. If there had to be a choice. hhmm kind of lost my thought process there.
It is great you figured out the pinging issue. I wonder if the right information was lost in translation? Unless the directions were originally written in English. Then it would just be bad information.
I finally got my Trooper running close to what it should be, I took it to Reno and back about a week ago to see Bart and help him get rid of some stuff. My Trooper still has not been unloaded from that trip. But it was 600 miles of 75 MPH freeway and I got 20 MPG on the way down and 18.5 on the way back. Personal best! Not bad for a 3.4.
That really sucks about having to swap the engines, but by now you should have it down to about a day. Is the other engine "built" or stock?
I am hoping to do some camping in 2 weeks. I gave up tent camping years ago in favor of a trailer. But this year I am going back to a simpler camping process. I bought a tent cot, and plan to camp where no trailers go. Only the Trooper and sheep. Did I say that?
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby bradzuzu » Tue May 24, 2016 3:59 pm

We've already visited about stuff , I am very happy that you're doing better ... Time has not been on my side this year either , I just seem to get more and more sidetracked.. I would put money on a shackle making the pop , could even be a spring eye bushing that's doing it... I have been enjoying myself , lots of soreness (building a shed) but starting to feel my age to a degree..
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby DSUZU » Tue May 24, 2016 4:11 pm

We all have "seasons" in our lives. Chris, sorry to hear about the physical stuff, but glad you are somewhat over it. Brad: "soreness", "feeling age"? what the... I thought you were superman? You need to take care. I'm 60 now and still kicking - maybe I'M superman?. Bottom line, there's a time and place for everything. Even a time to sit back and heal - or rest. Dennis
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Re: sofa king re: todd dead

Postby shaggydoink » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:53 am

chuffer wrote:Anyway, enough whining. I'm alive everything else is bonus, right?


Damn straight! I'm really sorry to hear about all of your medical woes, and really hope you find a way to incorporate all of the activities you enjoy regardless. Take care friend!! :thumbup:

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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby chuffer » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:20 am

Thanks for the encouraging words, guys.

I am actually feeling pretty good. The hardest part has been the serious diet shift. I am a food nut. I love beer, wine, red meat and anything made with butter! I have 95% eliminated those from my diet. I will have the occasional mouthful or two of wine, simply because it IS NOT possible to run a winery without tasting product. My daily after work beer was a lot easier to drop than I thought. I take a sniff of whatever the wife is drinking and go back to water or tea.

I am hoping to get the new-old (aka the original motor that I rebuilt to stock specs) motor back in the truck this weekend. Then it'll be time for general maintenance, break in and maybe even a trip!!!
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Re: 1988 Trooper II aka "Stinky"

Postby 800XL » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Looks like you got a running motor in it of some kind, just saw you go by me. I was pulling out of the police station parking lot in my maroon 95. Hopefully you're ping free, not that I could hear over my 3.2 SOHC valve rattle.
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