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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Von » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Yay. Almost done.
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Been working on it in my spare time. Good thing I took vacation this week... Just random fires, as usual, but they all cut into my play time. I had planned on getting the trans and at least one floorboard panel done. Not.

I could have gotten all that done if I'd known what I was doing with the transmission. While assembling the main shaft I forgot the reverse gear. had to pull the speedo gear back off, drop reverse gear on, then press the speedo gear back on. Then forgot two little washers in the cluster gear. 100 needle bearings in there, 4 rows of 25. Didn't have enough washers between the bearing sets and had to pull it back out and pull needles out, insert washers and put the needles back in. Then when I put the main shaft assembly in I couldn't get it in quite far enough. It needed about 1/8 for the gears to mesh right with the counter shaft cluster and the mid plate wouldn't seat.
I thought one of the needle bearings in the input shaft had fallen down and was wedged in there. Pulled it back out, at which point all the needle bearings DID fall out. OH, and the input shaft bearing... On Super T-10s and later T-10s the input bearing is slip fit, which males it easier to put the main shaft assembly in. But the early T-10s are press on.
Ended up putting the main shaft in 3 times. same gap all 3 times. It wasn't binding or anything. I checked movement the whole time. I think it was just me stuffing a butt load of grease in there making it hard to get it in all the way... usually more lube is better *shrug*. Kept working the shafts and giving it a good slam with a hammer and it settled in... nice and deep.. hit bottom.
that's what she said.

It's still pretty stiff. I have to put an old clutch disc on the input to get enough leverage to turn it. But I don't feel any rubbing, scraping, binding... Just really, really tight. The more I work it the looser it feels... ahem..
Eventually I'll get to put some 90 wgt in it, bolt it to the 289 and that should loosen it up good when I fire it up.

Just went out and put the new shifter forks in, new seals on the shift shafts and buttoned it all up.
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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Gen1Trooper » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:10 am

Alright!....Needle bearings...YAY!
Keep on it...You will be slamming gears in no time!

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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Von » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:41 pm

Took another week off! Ready to make some more progress on the car... and they're having an AHOD "event" at work this month... which will probably go a couple of months at least. Wanna miss as much of that as I can.
Any of that have heard 6S from management knows what that means..

Floorboards! Thought I'd practice with the passenger side since it's the good one.
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I cut all the bad stuff out and put the new toe board in. The replacement panels are supposed to be direct replacement... NOT! Lot's of fitting, trimming, fitting, trimming, fitting trimming....
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There's a support box underneath the toe board that was getting pretty rotten too. I patched the top part of it before I put the toe board in. I'll get the bottom part from underneath.

Then repeat for the floor panel.
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I slathered some seam sealer on the mating edges of the floor board. Forgot I had any left when I did the toe board... I'll unscrew the top edge of it and stuff some seam sealer in there too. And get a tube of seam sealer for the caulking gun and hit the outside edge from underneath.

Still debating on how much of it to weld and how much to leave screwed together. Some of it will have to be welded... may just leave it at that.
This car may not be a keeper and I don't want to screw it up too much for the next guy, is what I'm thinking. Maybe that guy will have the skills to properly restore it..

That thought was kinda floating around in my head as I worked on the passenger side. THEN I started on the driver's side... which solidified those thoughts... because the dude before me didn't give a rat's patooty about the next guy!
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You can't really tell from the pic... It's a mess. The section he cut out was maybe a third the size of the patch. he welded the front edge on the toe board and the rear edge on the hump, stitched the inside edge... haven't gotten to the outside edge yet. then covered the welds with latex caulking. There was actually some good steel under there... BUT it all rusted out quick around the welds. Some good bits of metal in the middle and rusty around the edges of the patch. All that crap has to come out.
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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Von » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:07 pm

Got most of the old patch off this morning and cut out some of the rusty crusty toe board.
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I managed to save the cross brace on the passenger side and brace it. Driver's side is toast. I'll dig through the "vault" and see what kind of scraps I have to replace it.

And the last guy did weld the patch to the body on the outside edge. Not a great weld either. And him using that expanding foam to fill in behind the toe board wasn't nice either. I should have expected it after seeing inside what's left of the rear quarter panels...
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Underneath the driver's side floorboard the rear brake line and the fuel line are in the way. The transmission tunnel has a removable cap specific to the 4 speed cars... it's been removed for a couple of years... but there's a mounting ring thingy spot welded to the bottom side of the tunnel.
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There are no repro's of that mounting ring thingy available. If I can cut the spot welds without tearing it up I'll clean it up and replace the nuts. ... I need to find the tunnel cap and see how bad it's ate up. I remember it had some rot and some of the bolt holes were eaten away. haven"t looked at it in a while. Probably have to fab a plate to go on top of that section. A few years ago there were repro's of the tunnel cap available but they were pretty pricey.

Oh... nice view of the stock windshield washer pump.
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Gonna try to get done with the floorboards by tomorrow evening. Our anniversary is Sunday and we're heading to Oklahoma City Friday... spend the weekend in Brick Town, Party Hardy Play Time, blow off some steam, get away from the kiddos and relax. After I RUINT our anniversary last year (Stuck Fest 2016) I gotta bring my A game this year.
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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Von » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:20 pm

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^ a little bit of rot...

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This is the part of the "frame" that holds the transmission crossmember. Arms bolt on there that go back and the crossmember bolts to them. Driver's side was pretty bad.

I cut some flat stock to fit, drilled bolt holes and welded a nut to the back side for that back hole that was rotted away. Then welded the plate in place.
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I couldn't get that trans tunnel cap mounting ring off without trashing it. Also can't get the original nuts out without trashing it... I guess if the next guy wants to do a full restoration he's just gonna be SOL on that part. I'd like to be able to keep that cap easily removable but probably won't happen.

Anyway... I think I got the new toe board in place to properly align the gas pedal. Wouldn't be a big deal if it was a straight up and down pedal. But it's slanted and moves that way too.
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Used about 20 inches of bed frame to replace the cross brace under the toe board. It wasn't an angle iron frame, more of a C channel thing, stamped from a little less than 1/8 steel. Folded the C closed on the inboard end and bolted it to the toe board with 1/4 bolts, welded the outboard end to the side of the unibody. Forgot to get a pic of that.
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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby Von » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 pm

And got the rest in a little while ago.
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The contour of the floor on that side is weird. Higher at the top than the passenger side and dips way down where it meets the toe board. Needed tons of screws to bring it all together. Carpal tunnel was kicking in and had to gank my wife's cordless drill... Gotta put it up before she get's home. She's at a celebration of some sort with some of her middle aged gal friends.. something to do with April 20th... ? Started pretty early for a party, Around 4:20 PM... ?
She ought to be home soon, gonna go get a few bags of Chinese food and maybe some Ranch Doritos.
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Re: New toy! 65 Fairlane

Postby N law » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:29 am

I used the harbor freight Air Punch Flange Tool for replacing body panels and floor boards before. It puts a Z bend in the metal for the new panel to overlay onto. Then you spin the tool around and punch a small hole in the panel to fill with a plug weld (or use a spot welder without punching a hole in it). Make sure you use weld thru primer on the joint and then weld'er up, grind smooth paint and seal.

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