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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:07 pm

totten wrote:This is on my Rodeo. Check CALMINI.com It's a 3"lift #ip2039 $994.95. They are out of Ca. I've had good luck with it. Been on my Rodeo for12 yrs. Has all you need in kit except manual hubs. Ck out! :D



Yeah man I've seen that lift and liked it too. But I heard lots of horror stories about their customer service and waiting a long time to receive their products. I called a couple months back and they said that kit goes into production when it's paid for. They also said it's a two week turn around time but I've head of preppie waiting a lot longer. Humm I just don't know which way to go lol. I hear nothing but good things about Indy.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:43 am

egagnon086 wrote:They are the only place with torsion bars im aware of, you don't really need them unless your putting a winch bumper up front.

I got my Adj. HD lower links from Thorbros, they were much cheaper, but only come with poly ends not he HD heim joints like indys.

You will need to contact a fab shop or Joe darlington to get yourself a bent driver upper link to get the most out of your lift.

also, the manual hubs do help improve driveline drag and will help save your CV axles with the lift. Id go get some superwinches from amazon. They will also improve your MPGs and lighten the steering abit on the road when unlocked.



How are your HD lower links holding up?
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:06 am

egagnon086 wrote:They are the only place with torsion bars im aware of, you don't really need them unless your putting a winch bumper up front.

I got my Adj. HD lower links from Thorbros, they were much cheaper, but only come with poly ends not he HD heim joints like indys.

You will need to contact a fab shop or Joe darlington to get yourself a bent driver upper link to get the most out of your lift.

also, the manual hubs do help improve driveline drag and will help save your CV axles with the lift. Id go get some superwinches from amazon. They will also improve your MPGs and lighten the steering abit on the road when unlocked.



Having trouble finding those lower links on that page. Anyway you can show me what you got?
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:05 pm

They are holding up good, I've been beating the crap out of them on some of the local trails, also the poly bushings allow the axle to pivot much better than the oem rubber. There is some added road roughness felt when driving due to the hard poly. Make sure you use good silicone grease on ploy bushings, no "petroleum grease" as it will cause them to wear out fast.

Here are what they are: https://thorbros.com/4-link-parts/4-lin ... y-bushings

Not sure if Rodeos and Amigos are the same length, mine are 23.5" long.

They also made my track bar also, I can get you my invoice number to reference if you want to get one of those also, it was a custom job for them.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:18 pm

Ok. I am buying the 3" lift kit from Indy.

Finding the best way to combo these items:
Rancho 9000XL shocks
EMU 912
Superwinch Hubs
HD torsion bars (will be adding a winch next)
Complete Brakeline and bracket set

Waiting for one last email from them to get the final price on the combo that I want.

Already ordered the driver side bent link from Joe Darlington in red.

Will be replacing lots of bushings as I install the lift fit. After the kit is ordered I will be looking into some all terrain tires for the rodeo. I like the BF Goodrich KO2. What is the best (biggest?) size suggested? Wheels, was thinking of getting the Pro Comp 51 series. Not set on either of these yet. I am willing to do trimming when its necessary.

In the near future thinking about getting HD links from Thorbros (cheaper than Indy) and winch.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:15 pm

Does anyone have the Indy 3" lift instructions posted on here? Would love to review before purchasing the kit.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:56 pm

What Bushings are you going to replace? control arms? do you have a shop press? they usually have to be burnt out and pressed in with hydraulics.

The biggest tire that will fit with no rub even with a 3" lift is a 265/75r16 on stock wheels, that with the front mudflaps removed. those were the less aggressive Cooper disco AT3. The square edge on the BFG might rub abit at the rear of the front fender on tight turns.

As for the lift "kit" its pretty straight forward,

The day before you start the install: clean any exposed theads on the T-bars and shocks. And spray liberally with pb blaster or liquid wrench, especially the bolts on the links on the rear.

put vehicle on jack stands
Unbolt what's there and install the new stuff. It's pretty straight forward, just do each item one at a time.
Also don't forget after lifting the T-bars you will likely need to get it aligned, so unless you can do that yourself, make sure you budget for it.
Might want to do over a weekend, it can get tiring if doing it all at once by yourself. Probably take 3-4 hrs if the bolts have never been touched, they like to seize up. Especially in salty road areas.
A shop manual would be useful to have, also a breaker bar or impact gun. and all required metric sockets. T-bar bolt is very large. a mallet to swap the t-bar ends.

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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:25 pm

For the bushings I just might take it to my boys firestone shop this weekend and have them do it while I wait for the kit to be delivered.

Im ok with the trimming to get the tire and look that I want.

Yeah got some pb blaster at home. Got an impact gun and all the other tools. My dad has the damn sears tools department in his garage lol. He will assist on the install.

And I will be doing it on a sunday morning and leaving it parked after install and taking it to my friends shop for alignment monday morning.
I have my shop manual in the rodeo at all times just in case lol.

When I took it to firestone what was recommended was sway bar links (front left, front right), tie rod ends (L out, R out), Ball joints ( Left and right upper and lower)
and shocks with are coming with the kit.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby gwana66 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:23 am

As for tire size, even considering lift and trimming, you're going to be wishing for lower gears with anything bigger than about a 32" tire with 4.10s. Power and fuel economy will suffer.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:27 am

I have a set of 4.77s laying in the garage if your interested...
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:32 pm

Well, I just had a great week at work and decided to get the lift from Indy. Lift is ordered. Got the bigger package with the Rancho 9000XL, HD bars, HD links and hubs.

Excited!
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:06 pm

gwana66 wrote:Well, sort of: The rear links seem like overkill to me unless you're going for absolute flex and offroad capability (or your lower link bushings are already shot). And, like egagnon said up above, you can't take advantage of a good lift without getting a bent upper arm to clear the gas tank - which this kit does not include. I'm not sure what your plans are, but personally I wouldn't go that far unless I wanted a fairly dedicated trail truck or just had money to burn. The front torsion bars are stiffer than stock, and cranked stock bars are plenty stiff. I wouldn't change them unless I was putting on a winch or a heavy front bumper. The rest of the parts are available elsewhere a-la-cart, and you can achieve your lift for far less than $2200. I lifted my '98 Amigo - with the same exact suspension - about 2.5" for less than $400 including new rear springs, all 4 shocks, and manual hubs. I did not do links or swaybar bushings. The brake lines didn't need to be replaced, and the only special tool I needed was an angle grinder. IMHO, anything much higher than 2.5" puts the front suspension just about at its limit for downtravel and the ride just gets harsh. It's a limitation of the front suspension design.

And you do realize, that even if you get 3" of suspension lift and manage another 3" of body lift, you still probably won't fit any larger than 32" tires without trimming the front fenders? What are you hoping to end up with? I don't want to discourage you from doing what you want to do, but I don't want to see you drop $2200 and find out you can still only run stock tires.



Are there any downsides to adding a body lift on top of a suspension lift?
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Jacnden » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:09 am

Rodeo814 wrote:
egagnon086 wrote:They are the only place with torsion bars im aware of, you don't really need them unless your putting a winch bumper up front.

I got my Adj. HD lower links from Thorbros, they were much cheaper, but only come with poly ends not he HD heim joints like indys.

You will need to contact a fab shop or Joe darlington to get yourself a bent driver upper link to get the most out of your lift.

also, the manual hubs do help improve driveline drag and will help save your CV axles with the lift. Id go get some superwinches from amazon. They will also improve your MPGs and lighten the steering abit on the road when unlocked.



Having trouble finding those lower links on that page. Anyway you can show me what you got?

Heavy duty adjustable lower link available from stinkyfab http://www.stinkyfab.com/axle-parts/isuzu.html
Slightly unusual but you can buy the bent upper arm from a Russian Great Wall site http://gw4x4.ru/index.php?id_category=6 ... r=category
You will need google chrome or something similar to translate, the also have adjustable panhard bar/track bar
The Great Wall they supply for is an Isuzu axiom and the same as rodeo and amigo
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:39 am

Jacden, that bent link looks really flimsy. It would work in sure. But Joe Ds link is massive as are the adj. Links from ThorBros and they don't cost alot with shipping included. I'm much more apt to support US fabricators than Russian ones just because o can pick up the phone and call.

Also the stinky fab links are really good but the Heim joints can be noisy on a street truck. And they cost almost twice what the ThorBros cost.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Jacnden » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:03 pm

egagnon086 wrote:Jacden, I'm much more apt to support US fabricators than Russian ones


i thought after russia assisting in the last election you were all pretty close now :shock:
but jokes aside all these parts were all i could find online. the bent arm is a remanafactured stock one. stinkyfab arms look a bit light on in the joint but work fine and i dont find them noisy.
independant4x4 also make them, look a bit bigger but twice the price

bit late for me now but i will have a look at the thorbros stuff
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:15 pm

Would adding the control arms and new bushings from Calmini be a good recommendation to add to the Indy lift kit I ordered?
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:56 pm

They do help correct camber, they will help the front end flex also. But they will cause a rougher ride from my experience. Also make sure you add grease fittings before you install them.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:18 pm

egagnon086 wrote:They do help correct camber, they will help the front end flex also. But they will cause a rougher ride from my experience. Also make sure you add grease fittings before you install them.



Understood. Thank you!
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:16 pm

Question... Right now I have the rodeo on jacks stands. The front shocks have been replaced with the new Rancho9000XL (which are larger than stock. I have also replaced the tie rod ends and sway bar links. With the tires off, while I stand in front and face the rodeo I can see that the top of the rotor is tilted in. What causes this?

Going to grab some dinner hopefully someone gets back to me by the time I finish my El Polo Loco.

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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:46 pm

I believe I have a negative camber. Don't know how this happened...
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:32 am

Never mind I got it. Once the tires were back on and dropped they went back in place. Getting my alignment done tomorrow.

Love the way it sits now. The new shocks feel amazing. No more front end diving when I brake lol.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby gwana66 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:30 am

The front suspension design (unequal length A-arms) means the tops of the wheels will tip in as the suspension droops.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby Rodeo814 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:12 pm

gwana66 wrote:The front suspension design (unequal length A-arms) means the tops of the wheels will tip in as the suspension droops.



Thanks buddy. Yeah I never noticed that before I guess. Kinda freaked me out.

Do you know what type of issues if any I would run into if I add a 3 inch body lift on it?
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby gwana66 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:30 pm

Might have to extend the steering shaft. If you have a manual transmission, the shifters will be a bit short. Auto, no problem.

What's your end goal? As has been said before, with 4.10 gears, you're going to be very unhappy with big tires.
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Re: 2000 Rodeo Lift

Postby egagnon086 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:01 pm

With 3" you will definitely need to extend the steering shaft. There is a write up in the hall of fame section on this forum of doing this to an Amigo which is exactly the same mechanically. You will also have body gaps on the bumpers that will look silly unless they are modified for the lift as well.

4.10s with big tires are no fun, and with an auto may just cause it to overheat, and die prematurely. With the manual, the shifters either need to be modified, or a big chunk of the floor cut away.
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