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Postby new orleans trooper » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:28 pm

I need to replace rear coils and want to make no modifications. anyone know of new coils I can just swap, so I don't bottom out anymore? No lift or so minimal it does not require spacers or blocks.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby Hack » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:20 pm

You basically have 2 options.

1. If you just want a set of OEM springs, many of us have Trooper springs sitting in our garage from when we lifted our trucks. Just post a WTB in the classified section.

2. Personally, I think the OEM springs are too soft. Nasty wrote a thread on replacement springs that will provide you info on replacements that will firm things up with or without lift. viewtopic.php?f=22&t=75761
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby BigSwede » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:50 pm

IIRC, the Old Man Emu 913 coil spring is supposed to be zero lift, and a higher spring rate than stock. Might not be easy to find though.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby nasty610 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:06 pm

I listed 2 options in my thread. There are quite a few more options but you'll need to buy longer coils and cut them down.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:27 pm

Thanks for the info, very informative. I did search but all the threads seemed to be about lifting, so I appreciate being pointed in the right direction. My Trooper lives on the road, very crappy roads, but will only rarely pull a trailer or drive with a significant load. BDS 034209--16"--180 lbs/in and OME 2913 -16"--200 lbs/in seem like my no lift, no modification options. How much stiffer are the 20 lbs/in increments, ie BDS and OME vs stock, as I agree the oem are soft?
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby MarcusInMD » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:41 pm

We have two pairs pulled from our 99 troopers. To be honest, both probably have seen better days for a trooper. A rodeo would see some gains. But if you want them they are for sale.

I LOVE the OME springs. Most of the time is spent on the road with them but they are far superior to the stock springs. But the 929s will lift about 2 1/2".
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby nasty610 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:26 am

I can't remember if the 99's came with 180s or not. Pretty sure I put the dates in my springs thread. Personally if I need new springs for a street driven Trooper I'd buy something around 200.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby Hack » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:15 am

It all depends on personal preference and how much you carry in the truck. I went from 160s to 245s in my Trooper and love the new ride. But I like a firm suspension (with minimal body roll) and usually carry a couple of hundred lbs of stuff in the rear. Someone else might find my suspension way too still. It all depends . . .
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:25 pm

i think I'll get the OME 2913 as they are about the same price as bds and I would like a little more stiffness. Thanks again for the info. My fronts still seem good, but I guess I'll find out when the backs are changed out.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby Hack » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:34 pm

The fronts springs are the torsion bars.

I suggest the OME 2912s, which might work a bit better in a 1999.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:48 pm

Hack why will they work better in a 99? 2912 and 2913 both have the same spring rate but 2912 will lift 1"-1.5", which I do not want, and 2913 is stock height replacement? btw the spring rate is listed at 180-300 lbs/in progessive, not 200 lbs/in as I had posted before.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:00 pm

How much lift can the rear have from springs before you have to adjust other components to compensate? I guess I don't care about a little lift except if extra work/expense is necessary to compensate for it. i just want to stop bottoming out for the most part and additional stiffness would be a nice extra.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby Hack » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:16 pm

Indy says the 2912s will lift a 1992-1997 Trooper 1-1.5". The 1998+ Troopers are slightly heavier so the lift will be less. Indy also says that the 2913s will have no impact on the height of a 1992-1997 Trooper. I just don't know if they will be enough for the heavier 1998+ Troopers,

In any case, you won't really notice an inch of lift in the rear. Moreover, with that little lift, you won't have to change any components nor will you have to adjust the torsion bars or align the truck.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby BigSwede » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:55 pm

Hack wrote:Indy says the 2912s will lift a 1992-1997 Trooper 1-1.5". The 1998+ Troopers are slightly heavier so the lift will be less. Indy also says that the 2913s will have no impact on the height of a 1992-1997 Trooper. I just don't know if they will be enough for the heavier 1998+ Troopers,

I doubt the back half of the Trooper weighs any different between them...next to nothing changed there other than the axle, but that doesn't ride on the springs anyway.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:52 pm

I looked on one 4x4 place and this was the OME description, wondering what would be necessary if i got 2929s and 1.5-2 lift beside swapping springs?

2913: free height 390mm, spring rate = 180/300 progressive where OE rate was 160 LBS, number of coil wraps = 9.3
specified for the '98+ Rodeo/Amigo platform - mild lift w/ max of 1" - 1.5"
works great as a stock height replacement coil on a Trooper or VX where no lift is the goal

2912: free height 420mm, spring rate = 180/300 progressive where OE rate was 160 LBS, number of coil wraps = 10.8
specified for the '92+ Trooper platform - mild lift w/ max of 1" - 1.5"
works great as a lift coil on the '98+ Rodeo/Amigo platform where a 2.5"-3" lift is the goal
we spec this coil in all of our Rodeo /Amigo lift kits
used on '92-97 Troopers for mild lift (for the '98+ we suggest a 2929 for the same result due to a heavier curb weight in those years)

2929: free height 420mm, spring rate = 240/300 where OE rate was 160 LBS, number of coil wraps = 10.8
for the '98+ Trooper we suggest this 2929 due to a heavier curb weight in those years to achieve a 1.5"-2" lift
great in all 92+ Troopers for a little firmer ride & where occasional towing in the goal
this is the firmest coil offered
in our suspension system we add a 1.5" coil spacer for the 3" lift
typically too tall for Amigo, Rodeo, & VX unless custom application is being used (think Axle Swap, etc)

2919: free height 430mm, spring rate = 200/280 where OE rate was 160 LBS, number of coil wraps = 10.8
specified for the '92+ Trooper platform - lift w/ max of 2" - 2.5"
physically the tallest coil offered, this is the coil we use most on '92-97 Troopers
in our suspension system we add a 1" coil spacer for the 3" lift
typically too tall for Amigo, Rodeo, & VX unless custom application is being used (think Axle Swap, etc)
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby nasty610 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:55 pm

I looked up the curb weights on 92-97 Troopers vs 98-02 Troopers. 98-02 Troopers actually have a slightly lower curb weight so technically they have a taller ride height. I'd imagine the switch to the higher rate was done because the lower rate was too soft.

In answer to your question nothing needs to be done for a 2" lift. If your shocks are already worn out I'd suggest replacing with a quality OE replacement especially if the truck sees little to no trail time.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby paulevans76 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:03 pm

I'd also check( and if necessary replace) your bumpstops. IIRC, they are progressive units and active through some of the spring's range of motion.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby dant2002 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:58 pm

I have 929'sn on mine and it did lift a couple inches but it definitely stopped the bottoming out and bouncing. The guy that put them on made a mistake and put the progressive end to the bottom and it was suppose to go to the top. My bad because i did not tell him and i had taken them out of the box.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:55 am

Do 2912's offer any improvement over OEM?
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby Hack » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:03 am

2912s are stiffer than stock and will provide a bit of lift on a Trooper (1-1.5"). 2929s are a bit firmer and provide more lift than the 2912s. It all depends what you are looking for.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby BigSwede » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:27 pm

912s are intended for "normal" weight. As above they are a bit stiffer than stock, ARB says 30 mm lift. I had them on my old 99 and liked the ride.

If you are going to run with heavy gear, the 919s are intended for +220 lbs. over stock, and 929s are intended for +440 lbs. Both will give you around 2" lift. I have 929s, but I need it as my Trooper has a heavy steel rear bumper, jerry can swing out, 35" spare on back, not to mention whatever crap I am hauling for camping and tools and recovery gear...You get the idea.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:53 pm

Thanks for the replies.
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby new orleans trooper » Tue May 09, 2017 7:20 am

Ended up getting 2912s. Does it matter which side is up (ie the tightly wound side top or bottom)?
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Re: 99 trooper NO lift rear coils

Postby BigSwede » Tue May 09, 2017 1:38 pm

Yes. IIRC the tighter wind goes up. You can tell by looking at the ends of the spring, one end is flat, that end goes up. The other end ends in a spiral, and the lower perch is formed to match.
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